812 Sky Pine Way Unit G1 · Greenacres, FL
Flood risk 1/10 · Minimal
- FEMA flood zone
- X (unshaded)
- Chance of flooding over 30 yrs
- 0.0%
- Est. flood insurance / yr
- $507 – $1,088
Fire risk 1/10 · Minimal
- Est. fire insurance / yr
- $947 – $1,759
Heat risk 9/10 · Severe
- Hot days now (above 105°F)
- 7 days/yr
- Hot days in 30 yrs
- 25 days/yr
Wind risk 10/10 · Severe
- Chance of severe wind over 30 yrs
- 99.0%
Air-quality risk 2/10 · Minimal
- Unhealthy air days now
- 0 days/yr
- Unhealthy air days in 30 yrs
- 2 days/yr
Risk factors via First Street. Map © Google.
Why this score? — see what drove the D grade
The composite is a weighted blend of 9 inputs, each scored 0–100. Each bar is that input's sub-score; the figure is the points it added to the 100-point composite (weight × sub-score).
- Cash flow +10.9/30.0
- ARV discount +7.5/15.0
- 1% rule +6.6/10.0
- Schools +4.3/10.0
- Livability +3.5/5.0
- DSCR +3.2/10.0
- Condition / age +2.5/5.0
- Rent growth +2.1/5.0
- Appreciation +0.0/10.0
$175,000
🖨 Deal sheet (PDF) 📄 Offer letter ✓ Due diligence
Listing remarks MLS
GORGEOUS QUIET FIRST FLOOR PRIVATE CONDO WITH TRANQUIL VIEW OF LAKE. 18 INCH CERAMIC TILE. NEW DISHWASHER, NEWER A/C AND COMPRESSOR.
Key facts
- Screened patio
- Pantry
- Tile floors
Tags
Property features AI
Finance
- Financial info: Not a land lease community; Pets allowed (may have number/size limits and restrictions)
- HOA & community: Association: Pine Ridge North IV; HOA amenities include clubhouse, pool, pickleball, tennis and shuffleboard courts, picnic area, on-site manager and parking; HOA fee paid monthly; HOA fee includes cable TV, insurance, grounds maintenance, sewer, water, common areas, roof repairs and pool service
Exterior
- Parking: Assigned parking and guest parking; Two parking spaces total (includes one open space)
- Utilities: Public water; Public sewer; Cable available; Water available; Sewer available
- Home design: Condominium; One story; Resale; Faces southeast
- Construction: Built with CBS construction materials; Composition/shingle roof; Single-story building
- Exterior features: Covered patio; Screened patio; Patio; Storage structure; Paved private road frontage; Waterfront: Yes (no waterfront features listed)
Interior
- Kitchen: Disposal; Dishwasher; Electric range; Microwave; Refrigerator; Electric water heater
- Bedrooms: One main-level bedroom
- Flooring: Carpet; Tile; Vinyl
- Bathrooms: Two full bathrooms; One bathroom on the main level
- Heating & cooling: Central heating; Central air conditioning
- Interior features: Walk-in closets; Stacked bedroom layout; Shutters on windows; Furnished negotiable
- Laundry & utility: Laundry located in hall; Indoor laundry
Neighborhood map
What this means for you Summary
Snapshot
- This is a 2-bed/2.0-bath condo listed at $175k.
Deal economics
- At list price, monthly cash flow is $-75 ($-905/yr) — negative.
- To cash-flow at today's rent, offer at most $162k (7.6% below list).
- Meets the 1% rule at list price ($2k rent vs $175k).
- Recommended offer: $162k (7.6% below list) — sets the bar for cash-flow.
Location & tenants
- Location reads 69/100 on livability (#490 in FL) — a middle-class / working-renter tenant base. Strengths: cost of living A+, housing A+, health & safety A; Watch: employment D, amenities F, commute F.
- Palm Beach (suburban): math 46% / reading 53% proficiency, ranked #34 of 73 in FL (top 47%) — families likely to look elsewhere, expect single-tenant / working-renter base with shorter leases.
- Zoned schools: Cholee Lake Elementary School (math 35% / reading 34%, grade F, #1,709 of 2,144 statewide, top 81%, 936 students, 72% FRL); Okeeheelee Middle School (math 34% / reading 40%, grade F, #399 of 571 statewide, top 71%, 1,377 students, 68% FRL) — zoned schools average 70% FRL vs 52% district-wide (18 pts higher); higher-poverty schools than district average — tighter screening recommended.
- Zoned-school proficiency averages 36% at this address vs 50% district-wide (-14 pts) — the specific schools serving this property underperform the Palm Beach average; the district grade overstates school quality for this exact location.
- Market conditions: Rents soft (-1.6%/yr); 314 active listings in the ZIP; 40 comparable units currently listed for rent nearby; rentals at typical pace (median 18d on market — plan ~3-4 weeks tenant-placement turnaround); 3,974 units permitted in Palm Beach County in 2024 (1,012 in 5+ unit buildings).
- This rent runs 40% of the median local income ($61k/yr) — at the standard rent-burdened threshold; future hikes will face affordability resistance.
Forward outlook
- Local home prices are declining (-3.0%/yr); year-one equity from $1k of loan paydown is wiped out by about $5k of value loss. Plan a longer hold.
- Palm Beach County population projected at +30% by 2050 — long-run rental-demand tailwind backs the buy-and-hold thesis.
Negotiation context
- It's been on market 57 days — a 3% lower offer ($170k) is reasonable based on typical stale-listing flexibility.
- 3 sale attempts since 22y ago; this cycle's ask has dropped $10k (5%) from the opening price — seller is motivated, your offer sets the floor, not the list.
- Current owner paid $128k; 36% above their basis — modest negotiation headroom, anchor on the comps not their cost.
Risks & watch-outs
- Watch-outs: HOA is 20% of rent.
- Climate carrying-cost: severe wind risk, 99% chance of damaging wind over 30y; extreme-heat days projected 7→25/yr by 2055 (HVAC capex compounding) — expect insurance premiums to compound above CPI over the hold.
Questions for the listing agent
- What do current leases actually rent for vs. the listed asking? Can we see a recent rent roll and the last 12 months of T-12 income?
- It's been on market 57 days. Have you received any prior offers? Is the seller open to a 8% concession, seller financing, or rate buy-down credit?
- What does the HOA fee cover, when was the last increase, and are there any pending special assessments or reserve-fund shortfalls?
- Any open or pending special assessments — roof, HVAC, plumbing, elevator, façade? What's the per-unit balance and payoff schedule, and is the seller paying it off at close or rolling it to the buyer?
- Is there a deadline driving the sale (1031 exchange, divorce, estate, relocation)? That informs how much negotiation room exists.
- Schools are D-rated, which usually means shorter tenancies and higher turnover. Who's the typical renter profile here, and what's been the actual vacancy rate?
- The area grade is low — what's the realistic commute time and amenity access for the typical tenant pool here? Any planned neighborhood developments (good or bad) we should know about?
- What's the average days-on-market for RENTAL listings here right now (not sales)? A rising rental-DOM trend means longer vacancies and softer asking-rent achievability than the comps imply.
- What's the recent tenant-quality profile in this submarket — average credit score on applications, eviction rate, late-payment / NSF rate, and stable-employment percentage? A property-management company in the area should have these aggregated.
- How much new apartment / multifamily construction is in the pipeline within 1–3 miles? Heavy new supply (>2% of stock underway) typically softens rents 12–24 months out; light construction supports rent growth.
Investment metrics
- 1% rule
- 1.16% ✓
- Cap rate
- 5.78%
- Cash-on-cash
- -1.85%
- DSCR
- 0.92
- GRM
- 7.2
CMA / ARV
No comps found within radius.
Projected returns pro-forma
-3.0% appreciation · 0.0% rent growth · sell at horizon
- IRR
- -24.0%
- Equity multiple
- 0.21×
- Total profit
- $-38,798
- Equity at exit
- $26,093
- IRR
- -39.2%
- Equity multiple
- -0.26×
- Total profit
- $-61,688
- Equity at exit
- $15,131
Cash invested: $49,000 (down + closing). Projections, not guarantees.
Landlord ↔ Tenant lean methodology
- Overall (STATE)
- 87 Strongly Landlord-Friendly
- State Florida
- 87 Strongly Landlord-Friendly · R+3
- County
- — inherits STATE
- City
- — inherits STATE
ZIP-level market 33415
- Rents YoY
- -1.6%
- Active inventory
- 314
- Price-to-rent
- 7.2×
Monthly cashflow live
- Estimated rent
- $2,032 high interval (Pro) →
- Mortgage (P&I)
- −$918
- Tax from tax record
- −$274 /mo · $3,293/yr
- Insurance
- −$73
- HOA
- −$416
- Vacancy / Maint / Mgmt
- −$427
- Net cashflow
- $-75
Break-even live
Sensitivity live
| Price | -10% $24 | -5% $-26 | +0% $-75 | +5% $-125 | +10% $-174 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rent | -10% $-236 | -5% $-156 | +0% $-75 | +5% $5 | +10% $85 |
| Rate | -1.0pp $13 | -0.5pp $-31 | base $-75 | +0.5pp $-121 | +1.0pp $-167 |
UW: 25.0% down · 7.5% · 30yr · 1.5% tax · 5.0% vac · 8.0% maint · 8.0% mgmt
Financing live
Cash to close
- Down payment
- $43,750
- Closing costs
- $5,250
- Reserves months
- —
- Total cash needed
- —
Loan-product check · same deal, 3 products live
Conventional
25% down · 7.5% · 30yr
- Down + closing
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- Monthly P&I
- —
- Monthly cashflow
- —
- DSCR
- —
- Eligible?
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Personal DTI + credit; lowest rate.
DSCR
20% down · 8.5% · 30yr
- Down + closing
- —
- Monthly P&I
- —
- Monthly cashflow
- —
- DSCR
- —
- Eligible?
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No personal income docs; deal must DSCR.
Hard money
10% down · 12.0% · 12mo
- Down + closing
- —
- Monthly P&I
- —
- Monthly cashflow
- —
- DSCR
- —
- Eligible?
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Short-term bridge; refi at stabilization.
Rent comps 40 comps
| Address | Beds | Baths | Sqft | Rent | $/sqft | DOM | Units | Dist |
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| 811 Sky Pine Way Unit F2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1064 | $1,550 | $1.46 | 21d | 1 | 0.02mi |
| 812 Sky Pine Way Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1064 | $2,100 | $1.97 | 25d | 1 | 0.03mi |
| 802 Sky Pine Way Unit E2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1111 | $1,750 | $1.58 | 8d | 1 | 0.05mi |
| 712 Sunny Pine Way Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1068 | $2,150 | $2.01 | 25d | 1 | 0.09mi |
| 703 Sunny Pine Way Unit G2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1068 | $2,000 | $1.87 | 16d | 1 | 0.10mi |
| 817 Sky Pine Way Unit H Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1370 | $2,300 | $1.68 | 17d | 1 | 0.10mi |
| 826 Sky Pine Way Greenacres, FL | 2.0–3.0 | 2.0 | 1304 | $1,800 | $1.38 | 13d | 2 | 0.12mi |
| 813 Sky Pine Way Unit F2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1111 | $1,725 | $1.55 | 3d | 1 | 0.13mi |
| 813 Sky Pine Way Unit F2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1111 | $1,725 | $1.55 | 15d | 1 | 0.13mi |
| 6115 Seven Springs Blvd Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.5 | 1325 | $2,500 | $1.89 | 19d | 1 | 0.18mi |
| 6115 Seven Springs Blvd Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.5 | 1325 | $2,475 | $1.87 | 6d | 1 | 0.18mi |
| 718 Sunny Pine Way Unit H2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1111 | $2,000 | $1.80 | 6d | 1 | 0.18mi |
| 718 Sunny Pine Way Unit H2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1111 | $2,000 | $1.80 | 21d | 1 | 0.18mi |
| 703 Sunny Pine Way Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1068 | $1,900 | $1.78 | 25d | 2 | 0.19mi |
| 726 Sunny Pine Way Unit B2 Greenacres, FL | 3.0 | 2.0 | 1254 | $2,200 | $1.75 | 4d | 1 | 0.21mi |
| 720 Sunny Pine Way Unit G1 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1111 | $2,000 | $1.80 | 20d | 1 | 0.22mi |
| 6134 Seven Springs Blvd Unit 40d Greenacres, FL | 3.0 | 3.0 | 1321 | $2,400 | $1.82 | 4d | 1 | 0.23mi |
| 724 Sunny Pine Way Unit D2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1111 | $1,950 | $1.76 | 25d | 1 | 0.23mi |
| 502 Shady Pine Way Unit D2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 1.0 | 991 | $1,900 | $1.92 | 0d | 1 | 0.24mi |
| 504 Shady Pine Way Unit 2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1111 | $2,000 | $1.80 | 25d | 1 | 0.26mi |
| 633 Sea Pine Way Unit C Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1370 | $2,450 | $1.79 | 25d | 1 | 0.27mi |
| 629 Sea Pine Way Unit D3 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1005 | $2,100 | $2.09 | 22d | 1 | 0.27mi |
| 511 Shady Pine Way Unit D2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1115 | $2,200 | $1.97 | 4d | 1 | 0.28mi |
| 511 Shady Pine Way Unit D2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1115 | $2,200 | $1.97 | 25d | 1 | 0.28mi |
| 508 Shady Pine Way Unit D1 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1115 | $1,850 | $1.66 | 22d | 1 | 0.29mi |
| 628 Sea Pine Way Unit A2 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1005 | $2,100 | $2.09 | 17d | 1 | 0.30mi |
| 6043 10th Ave N #130 Greenacres, FL | 3.0 | 2.0 | 1500 | $2,300 | $1.53 | 25d | 1 | 0.31mi |
| 6031 10th Ave N #219 Greenacres, FL | 3.0 | 2.0 | 1078 | $2,400 | $2.23 | 4d | 1 | 0.31mi |
| 1600 Island Shores Dr Greenacres, FL | 1.0–2.0 | 1.0–2.0 | 889 | $1,925 | $2.17 | 25d | 2 | 0.31mi |
| 507 Shady Pine Way Unit D1 Greenacres, FL | 1.0 | 1.0 | 788 | $1,400 | $1.78 | 15d | 1 | 0.32mi |
| 6061 10th Ave N #242 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 855 | $2,000 | $2.34 | 5d | 1 | 0.33mi |
| 616 Sea Pine Way Unit C3 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1005 | $2,100 | $2.09 | 25d | 1 | 0.34mi |
| 527 Shady Pine Way Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1115 | $1,975 | $1.77 | 0d | 2 | 0.35mi |
| 6049 Olivewood Cir Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1377 | $2,200 | $1.60 | 24d | 1 | 0.38mi |
| 6506 Dockside Cir Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.5 | 1226 | $2,000 | $1.63 | 8d | 1 | 0.38mi |
| 5775 Fernley Dr W #131 West Palm Beach, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1072 | $2,000 | $1.87 | 11d | 1 | 0.38mi |
| 3350 Perimeter Dr #1323 Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1059 | $1,975 | $1.86 | 2d | 1 | 0.47mi |
| 3386 Lucerne Park Dr Greenacres, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1059 | $1,950 | $1.84 | 25d | 1 | 0.47mi |
| 2641 Gately Dr W West Palm Beach, FL | 2.0–3.0 | 2.5 | 1238 | $1,800 | $1.45 | 0d | 2 | 0.47mi |
| 5780 Fernley Dr W #91 West Palm Beach, FL | 2.0 | 2.0 | 1324 | $2,000 | $1.51 | 25d | 1 | 0.53mi |
HOA detail condo
- Monthly dues
- $416 · $4,992/yr
- Assessments
- None detected in remarks — confirm with the listing agent.
Listing history 22 events
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2026-06-18days on market $175,000 Active 57 DOM
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2026-06-17days on market $175,000 Active 56 DOM
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2026-06-16days on market $175,000 Active 55 DOM
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2026-06-15days on market $175,000 Active 54 DOM
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2026-06-13pricedays on market $175,000 Active 52 DOM
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2026-06-09days on market $185,000 Active 48 DOM
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2026-06-08days on market $185,000 Active 47 DOM
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2026-06-07days on market $185,000 Active 46 DOM
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2026-06-04days on market $185,000 Active 43 DOM
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2026-06-03days on market $185,000 Active 42 DOM
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2026-06-02days on market $185,000 Active 41 DOM
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2026-06-01days on market $185,000 Active 40 DOM
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2026-05-31days on market $185,000 Active 39 DOM
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2026-04-22$185,000 Active
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2025-04-02historical
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2025-02-05price $220,000
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2024-11-01$225,000 Active
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2005-01-13soldstatus $128,500
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2005-01-05soldstatus $128,500 132-char remark
Show marketing remark (132 chars)
GORGEOUS QUIET FIRST FLOOR PRIVATE CONDO WITH TRANQUIL VIEW OF LAKE. 18 INCH CERAMIC TILE. NEW DISHWASHER, NEWER A/C AND COMPRESSOR.
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2004-10-12historical 132-char remark
Show marketing remark (132 chars)
GORGEOUS QUIET FIRST FLOOR PRIVATE CONDO WITH TRANQUIL VIEW OF LAKE. 18 INCH CERAMIC TILE. NEW DISHWASHER, NEWER A/C AND COMPRESSOR.
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2004-09-10$129,500 132-char remark
Show marketing remark (132 chars)
GORGEOUS QUIET FIRST FLOOR PRIVATE CONDO WITH TRANQUIL VIEW OF LAKE. 18 INCH CERAMIC TILE. NEW DISHWASHER, NEWER A/C AND COMPRESSOR.
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1992-08-04soldstatus $50,000
ⓘ Source: listings_history table (triggers on properties + properties_extension) + one-shot
backfill from property_details.listing_events for pre-trigger history.
Tax reassessment forecast FL · Resets to sale price
- Current annual tax
- $3,293 · $274/mo
- Projected year-2 tax
- $3,293 · $274/mo
- Expected delta
- $0/yr ($0/mo · 0.0%)
ⓘ Screening estimate from a state-policy table — verify with the county assessor before closing.
Climate risk First Street
- Flood 1/10 Low FEMA zone X (unshaded) · 0% chance over 30 yrs
- Wildfire 1/10 Low
- Heat 9/10 Extreme 7 d/yr ≥105°F today · 25 d/yr by 30 yrs out
- Wind 10/10 Extreme 99% chance of damaging wind over 30 yrs
- Air quality 2/10 Low 0 unhealthy d/yr today · 2 by 30 yrs out
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Walkable amenities ~0.75 mi
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Taxation est. · year 1
- Rental income
- $24,390
- − Mortgage interest
- −$9,803
- − Property taxes
- −$3,293
- − Insurance
- −$875
- − Repairs & maintenance
- −$1,951
- − Management
- −$1,951
- − HOA
- −$4,992
- − Depreciation
- −$5,091
- Taxable loss
- −$3,567
- Est. tax savings @ 24.0%
- +$856
- After-tax cash flow
- $-49/yr
For passive investors: Depreciation is non-cash, so a rental often shows a tax loss while cash-flowing — sheltering income. Rental losses are passive: they offset passive income freely, and up to $25,000/yr can offset ordinary (W-2) income if you actively participate and your MAGI is under $100k (phasing out to $0 by $150k); unused losses carry forward. On sale, claimed depreciation is recaptured at up to 25%, and gains may owe capital-gains tax (a 1031 exchange can defer both). Figures are a year-1 estimate at your 24.0% rate — not tax advice; consult a CPA.
Schools (NCES district)
- District
- Palm Beach
- NCES district ID
- 1201500
- Math proficiency
- 46% ▼ -16.00%
- Reading proficiency
- 53% ▼ -4.00%
- Median HH income
- $53,943
- Composite
- 42.72/100
- National rank
- #3160
- State rank
- #34 of 73 in FL
Livability — Greenacres
- Score
- 69/100
- State rank
- #490
- US rank
- #9008
Category grades
Schools grade is shown separately in the Schools card above.
Census & demographics
- Census place
- Greenacres, FL
- County
- Palm Beach County · 1,438,312 people
- City population
- 65,478
- Metro
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL
- Population (ZIP)
- 54,581
- Household income
- $61,274
- Rent vs Own
- Severe rent burden
- 2254.0
Population outlook (Palm Beach County) Hauer SSP2
- Today (2025)
- 1,637,487 people
- By 2030
- 1,743,255 · +6.5%
- By 2040
- 1,948,712 · +19.0%
- By 2050
- 2,132,979 · +30.3%
- By 2075
- 2,530,027 · +54.5%
- By 2100
- 2,706,979 · +65.3%
Race, ethnicity, and origin ACS 2023
- Neighborhood character
- Diverse neighborhood (Simpson 0.63)
- Race & ethnicity
- Hispanic / Latino 53% Two or more races 26% White 21% Black 21% Asian 2%
- Hispanic origin (detail)
- Mexican 7% Puerto Rican 6% Cuban 14% Dominican 2% Salvadoran 1%
- Common ancestry
- Hispanic 9% Romanian 1% Lithuanian 1%
- Foreign-born
- 44% · Canada, Jamaica, Dominican Republic
- Languages at home
- 40% English-only · Spanish 49% French/Haitian/Cajun 8% Other Indo-European 1%
Political lean MEDSL · Palm Beach
- 2024 margin
- Toss-up / Even · D 50.0% · R 49.2%
- 2008→2024 swing
- -22.1pp toward R · 2008: 22.9pp · 2024: 0.8pp
- All cycles
- 2024: D+0.8 2020: D+12.8 2016: D+15.3 2012: D+17.0 2008: D+22.9
Not yet ingested
- Civics
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Market trends
- HPI YoY
- ▼ -400.29%
- Current HPI
- 413.9695
- Rent YoY
- ▼ -1.64%
- Metro
- Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL
- State GDP YoY
- ▲ 3.28%
- F500 in state
- 36
Industry mix (Fortune 500 HQ in FL)
| Industry | F500 HQs | Revenue |
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| Industrial Technology | 2 | $29B |
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| Insurance | 2 | $17B |
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| Retail | 1 | $60B |
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| Technology Distribution | 1 | $58B |
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| Homebuilding | 1 | $35B |
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| Technology Manufacturing | 1 | $35B |
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Price history
+270.0% since first listed9 events — show timeline
- 2026-04-22 Listed $185,000 Beaches MLS
- 2025-04-02 Listing Removed — Beaches MLS
- 2025-02-05 Price Changed $220,000 Beaches MLS
- 2024-11-01 Listed $225,000 Beaches MLS
- 2005-01-13 Sold (Public Records) $128,500 Public Records
- 2005-01-05 Sold (MLS) $128,500 Beaches MLS
- 2004-10-12 Listing Removed — Beaches MLS
- 2004-09-10 Listed $129,500 Beaches MLS
- 1992-08-04 Sold (Public Records) $50,000 Public Records
Property tax history
+7.7%/yrLatest (2025): $3,293 · +4.3% YoY. Source: county tax records.
Cash-flow waterfall
monthlySold comps — $/sqft
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